Siemens fornuis 2 phase perilex aansluiting

Dear forum members,

I have a 2 phase perilex in my kitchen and I recently bought a siemens stove. I am having trouble to understand how to correctly connect the cables. I think I know where to put 4 cables, but where does the grey (second N) goes to? and do I need to make bridges between 2-3, 4-5 connectors?

Could anyone please give me an advice?

Gr, Vivi

High met Henk

Special Member

Much confusion overhere:

Op 30 september 2021 11:20:31 schreef ViviMana:

I have a 2 phase perilex in my kitchen ...

The last image:
https://www.circuitsonline.net/forum/file/75103
shows 3 phase connection for Perilex and is confusing therefore!

this image
https://www.circuitsonline.net/forum/file/75102
shows 5 different color wires from cable:
Only cables clear are
Brown (phase 1)
Blue (neutral)
Yellow / Green (earth)

We don't know how the other end of this cables are connected. According to your info in the post you mention:
2 phase
This means:
Brown and Black are connected
Gray and Blue are connected.

However this cannot be seen in any of your images and does not match with de drawing which is the last image supplied by your post.

So please clarify if you have 3 phase or 2 phase on your perilex.
Both can be connected to your stove, but require different wiring.

You can test yourself if you are confident in handling a properly classed voltmeter:
Measure between L1 and L2 on perilex: Could be 0V or 400 V (if in the netherlands)
Measure between L1 and L3 on Perilex: Should always be 400 V
Measure between L1 and N: should be 230 V
Measure between L2 and L3: Should be 0V or 400 V
Measure between L2 and N: should be 230 V
Measure between L3 and N: should be 230 V

you can also supply pictures of the other end of this cable and it's connections.

E = MC^2, dus de magnetische compatibiliteit doet kwadratisch mee???

Hi,
Thank you for a quick answer!

I am sorry that the pictures are not clear.
Indeed I only have 2 phased Perilex, as it is from my electric kast (as I understand it):
Brown L1
Black L2
Grey N (because only 2 phase)
Blue N
Y/G Earth

The colors fit perfectly with the diagram from the cable that I bought which needs to be connected to the stove.

Everything is bought in the Netherlands.

High met Henk

Special Member

OK brown and Black are phase
Blue and grey are neutral

meaning this is should be the correct connection:
http://www.gasloosnederlandmagazine.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/perilex.png

however:
L2 is black
N1 is gray
in your case, due to usage of cable instead of pipe and wire.

no big deal!

Just wire this way:

E = MC^2, dus de magnetische compatibiliteit doet kwadratisch mee???
mel

Golden Member

nee, die daarboven..en brug tussen de nullen weghalen.

u=ir betekent niet :U bent ingenieur..

Oh and I thought I have to do 2N connection.

To make sure I don't make a mistake:

Y/G on 1
Brown on 2
Black on 3
Grey on 4
Blue on 5

And then I need to create bridges?
4 and 5 together
and a double bridge for 2,3,4?

Thank you very much for the help.

High met Henk

Special Member

Op 30 september 2021 12:56:07 schreef mel:
nee, die daarboven..en brug tussen de nullen weghalen.

hij heeft geen 2 fasen: slechts 1 fase

het kan wel wat je zegt, maar feitelijk liggen ze al aan elkaar in de verdeler.

het is allemaal niet heel sexy. Beste optie blijft optie 1, maar dan moet je wel echt 3 fasen hebben (en die optie heb ik zelf dus ook in mijn kookplaat)

@ViVimana.

in order to use the situation I mentioned Yes.

however Mel disagrees and want to use like this:
Remove bridge from 4 & 5
Remove Bridge from 1 & 2

This is also an option, however in your distribution box: they are already tied together:

benefit of my wiring: It will all stay in working order and is redundent, but can cause overload in case 1 wire/connection fails

benefit of Mel suggestion: In case of broken wire/bad connection some parts of the stove fail, but no overload.

you pick.

E = MC^2, dus de magnetische compatibiliteit doet kwadratisch mee???

I see,
I think it is clear enough then.

Thanks to you both for the help, much appreciated!